Lee Allen Estes was a Lieutenant with the Kentucky State Police and a Kentucky native himself. He convinced the State Police of the need to take an educational safety-promotion program into Kentucky schools. Lee used two McElroy figures: Willie Talk and Kenny Talk.

His ventriloquist school shows combined ventriloquism and magic with messages about fire, bicycle and general safety around the home to children.

Lt. Estes traveled throughout the state of Kentucky in the 1940s and early 1950s doing his ninety-minute stage shows. The Kentucky State Police felt the program was such a success that they even bought a special vehicle for Lt. Estes to transport his equipment in order to deliver these programs. In addition, his department gave him permission to lecture on these topics to other safety-related conventions around the country.

     
Willie Talk and Kenny Talk, used by Lee Allen Estes
as they now live in Vent Haven Museum in Ft. Mitchell, KY.